The NRA Is A Joke! (30 posts)

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  • Profile picture of Uncle Larry Uncle Larry said 6 months ago:

    http://home.nra.org/default.aspx#

    Typical right wing crap! Their answer to everything is more guns and blame the media! I guess we should be surprised they’re not advocating to arm the teacher, principal, and Joe the Janitor.

  • Profile picture of AndyA AndyA said 6 months ago:

    “Typical right wing crap!”
    Says one of our resident LW Lib Nitwits.

  • Profile picture of ApolloDawn ApolloDawn said 6 months ago:

    I give the writer credit for focusing on violence rather than defecting to everyone’s favorite timeless if trite run-on term, “sexandviolence” (or, worse, scapegoating along religious lines), and proceeding to devote most of his piece to condemning sex rather than violence.

    “But is that what it really is? Isn’t fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?”

    Can’t say that I disagree with that.

  • Profile picture of think4yourself think4yourself said 6 months ago:

    I agree with the efforts to place armed security on campuses. But I fail to understand how the media and ‘gun free zones’ are to blame. An assailant willing to take his own life is neither going to be deterred nor invited by any sign of presence or lack of presence of deadly force. What irks me as well (and possibly this is just a product of a society that values vengeance over life) is that nobody is talking about the two other deceased involved in this tragedy; the assailant and the mother. I’m not trying to take anything away from the innocent victims, however we should also consider that this is a terrible loss for the Lanza family as well. Anyone who has ever watched a loved one (especially your own child) reap the consequences of poor decisions should understand what I’m talking about.

  • Profile picture of John  Bravo John Bravo said 5 months, 4 weeks ago:

    “An assailant willing to take his own life is neither going to be deterred nor invited by any sign of presence or lack of presence of deadly force.”

    So then why the push by the media to demonize gun owners, but absolute silence on the filth that has pervaded this country thru media channels? We will need to have armed guards at schools, not because of the proliferation of guns, but because of the proliferation of filth that has polluted peoples minds to the extent video game players are killing first graders in our schools and movie patrons in malls.

  • Profile picture of John  Bravo John Bravo said 5 months, 4 weeks ago:

    “An assailant willing to take his own life is neither going to be deterred nor invited by any sign of presence or lack of presence of deadly force.”

    Ok. Lets pass a law that requires all homeowners to clearly designate their property as a “gun free zone” if there is no gun on the premises. Gun owners should be required to designate their property as well.
    Lets see what happens.
    Amazing how you never hear about murder at gun ranges. With all the guns and ammo at shooting ranges, you would think there would be a mass killing every week.

  • Profile picture of catpaw catpaw said 5 months, 4 weeks ago:

    Let me see if I got this straight from the NRA’s statement:
    They are really a bunch of nice guys and those mean ol’ news media reporters and liberal politicians who want to overthrow the Constitution are picking on them. And they are spreading all kinds of misinformation.
    Well, there’s no denying that innocent defenseless people get killed in shooting sprees. That’s not misinformation.
    How about the NRA campaigning against every gun control law proposed. Is that misinformation? The NRA statement didn’t cover that one. Had the Bushmaster and weapons like it been banned, would it have made a difference? Now there’s a brain teaser for us.

  • Profile picture of think4yourself think4yourself said 5 months, 4 weeks ago:

    John-we’re not talking about some petty burgler. And individual citizens can put what they want on their property. While a sign might deter or invite a petty thief, it would make no difference to someone who doesn’t value his own life, but is hell bent on murder. Some may be in the business of demonizing guns, sure. But I think the NRA leadership is a bit paranoid. The majority of American have no desire to confiscate hunting rifles and hand guns from law abiding citizens. The majority of Americans simply want the gun lobby to be reasonable as to keeping certain fire arms out of the hands of bad guys.

  • Profile picture of sagefever sagefever said 5 months, 4 weeks ago:

    Armed guards did not stop Columbine.
    The A-15 (modified military/police guns ~complete with so many accessories it is called “the Barbie” ) and the .223 bullet combo were originally developed for combat. It is relatively cheap ,so are the bullets. As I said I’ll give you your need for a semi automatic but really,those bullets are the only bullet for what exactly?
    There are plenty of contributing factors ~ certainly video games,the stigma around mental health, all need modification. Yet the NRA told us today it is “us” that ~pardon me~ must bite the bullet.
    think ~” the two other deceased involved in this tragedy; the assailant and the mother.” That will take a while for some people to recognize ~ some never will.

  • Profile picture of Groucho Groucho said 5 months, 4 weeks ago:

    The idea of armed guards at schools is ludicrous. Who screens the guards? Who arms the guards? Who insures the guards? There are so many weapons readily available on the streets that no force would be 100% effective against a dedicated lunatic bent on slaughter.

  • Profile picture of Lamonster Lamonster said 5 months, 4 weeks ago:

    Do we have to have a 100% surety of effectiveness to try a program? Would a 90% success rate be worth the effort?

  • Profile picture of AndyA AndyA said 5 months, 4 weeks ago:

    “The A-15 (modified military/police guns ~complete with so many accessories it is called “the Barbie” ) and the .223 bullet combo were originally developed for combat.”

    First off it’s M16 and it was originally developed as a light fully automatic weapon for security guards. Subsequently found to be a pretty good weapon for jungle combat and later refined as the primary battle weapon for the US and many of our allies. the .223 was in existence prior to the M16 and is used in many other non (erroneously called) assault weapon firearms. The AR15 (not A15) is a SL firearm (as in not an automatic weapon) that looks like an M16. By the way the US military no longer issues the full auto version of the M16 as hasn’t in many years. The present version of they select fire M16 and M4 can be
    fired singularly (one shot for one pull of the trigger) or three shot burst. Hope this clears up some of the erroneous info you are presenting here.

  • Profile picture of think4yourself think4yourself said 5 months, 4 weeks ago:

    Groucho-it isn’t at all ludicrous. Kern High School District has done it for years without incident. Many local K-8 districts have what are referred to as resource officers that are contracted through local LEA’s. The only question is one of cost. These officers, as mentioned have law enforcement backgrounds OR are contracted by the districts but employed officers of the local LEA. Who picks up the tab? These are 80K per year positions (according to NRA figures). Will it be an unfunded mandate on the districts, or is Congress going to foot the whole bill? I wonder if its an expenditure that creates a logical inconsistancy with NRA members that also are identified Tea Party Patriots. I guess we should be spending less in some areas, but more on others? How can NRA members who are Tea Party supporters defend going to Congress and requesting millions to put an armed officer on every campus when they gave the Sandy ravaged East Coast the raspberry (another thread). But, nonetheless, this is a much more sane idea than having teachers and principals packing heat.

  • Profile picture of sagefever sagefever said 5 months, 4 weeks ago:

    Thanks for the info Andy~ I was going by the paper/and other sources have said ( as reported by the police and medical examiner~ who knew they’d get it wrong??) and did err in not calling it a AR-15. I did find this,the latest info on the weapon “The primary weapon used in the attack was a “Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon,” said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance. The rifle is a Bushmaster version of a widely made AR-15, the civilian version of the M-16 rifle used by the U.S. military. The original M-16 patent ran out years ago, and now the AR-15 is manufactured by several gunmakers. Unlike the military version, the AR-15 is a semiautomatic, firing one bullet per squeeze of the trigger. But like the M-16, ammunition is loaded through a magazine. In the school shooting, police say Lanza’s rifle used numerous 30-round magazines.

    An AR-15 is usually capable of firing a rate of 45 rounds per minute in semiautomatic mode.

    Police didn’t offer details about the specific model of the rifle Lanza used. A typical Bushmaster rifle, such as the M4 model, comes with a 30-round magazine but can use magazines of various capacities from five to 40 rounds. An M4 weighs about 6 ½ pounds and retails for about $1,300.”
    Easy enough to see how the “erroneous info you are presenting here” came about. We just do not know exactly what he did use~ yet.
    There are a grand total ~ if we include private schools, non degree granting (training), Post secondary Title IV, and degree granting colleges ~ elementary/high schools in the United States= some 145,667 in 2009-2010 .Some have armed teachers or security but many states will have to change their laws.
    That is a lot of hires before school starts . During an earthquake the staff was supposed to duck and cover,leaving the handicapped students in place…that was unacceptable…I would home school now for sure.

  • Profile picture of AndyA AndyA said 5 months, 4 weeks ago:

    “Easy enough to see how the “erroneous info you are presenting here” came about. We just do not know exactly what he did use~ yet.”

    Just what erroneous info did i post ?