Mea Maxima Culpa – Silence In The House Of God: Pope Benedict Resigns (27 posts)

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  • Profile picture of milemarker milemarker said 4 months, 1 week ago:


    One can hardly be surprised after the documentary film “Mia Maxima Culpa – Silence In The House Of God” hit HBO and exposed the underbelly of the worldwide coverup of pedophile priests with Cardinal Ratzinger orchestrating it.

    His resignation letter:

    Dear Brothers,

    I have convoked you to this Consistory, not only for the three canonizations, but also to communicate to you a decision of great importance for the life of the Church. After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry. I am well aware that this ministry, due to its essential spiritual nature, must be carried out not only with words and deeds, but no less with prayer and suffering.

    However, in today’s world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to govern the bark of Saint Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognize my incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry entrusted to me. For this reason, and well aware of the seriousness of this act, with full freedom I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter, entrusted to me by the Cardinals on 19 April 2005, in such a way, that as from 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant and a Conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked by those whose competence it is.

    Dear Brothers, I thank you most sincerely for all the love and work with which you have supported me in my ministry and I ask pardon for all my defects. And now, let us entrust the Holy Church to the care of Our Supreme Pastor, Our Lord Jesus Christ, and implore his holy Mother Mary, so that she may assist the Cardinal Fathers with her maternal solicitude, in electing a new Supreme Pontiff. With regard to myself, I wish to also devotedly serve the Holy Church of God in the future through a life dedicated to prayer.

    From the Vatican, 10 February 2013

    [my emphasis

  • Profile picture of catpaw catpaw said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    I saw that breaking news on CNN this morning. Quite a surprise, apparently. First pope to resign in almost 600 years.
    So far, the word from the Vatican is that a new pope will be installed before Easter. The retired pope will probably retreat to a monastary and devote himself to prayer or whatever guys do in a monastary.
    There is all kinds of speculation for the “real” reasons the pope is stepping down, but there is little doubt that the demanding position has taken its toll.
    Whether a retired pope stays in seclusion, not to be heard from again, or if he will continue to have some input and influence on Vatican affairs remains to be seen.

  • Profile picture of milemarker milemarker said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    …or whatever guys do in a monastery.

    According to the film – Mea Maxima Culpa – that’s where they send the pedophiles to chill until they can find them another parish to ravage. According to the film, the Church investigated starting a monastery on an island but the project got vetoed. The Church has something like 44 “retreats” worldwide where they send pedophile priests for counseling. They spend a few weeks there, then are either sent right back to their parish or reassigned to another parish. Oh yeah. The don’t alert the new parish about the priest’s “errors”. [Then] Cardinal Ratzinger was at the center of the problem. His office oversaw 100% of the cases of pedophile priests and what Ratzinger did with the information, apparently, was use it to compile dirt on bishops throughout the world. He then used that dirty laundry as blackmail to get himself elevated to Pope upon the death of John Paul II. Ratzinger’s strategy was virtually identical to the way J. Edgar Hoover collected dirt on politicians in order to keep his post as director of the FBI for decades.

    I look forward to the amazing stuff the apologists will surely come up with to obfuscate, minimize, redirect, confuse, blur and muddle. Know when they do that they are only concerned with the reputation of the Church and care not one iota about the victims.

  • Profile picture of milemarker milemarker said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    Cardinal Roger Mahony used church cemetery funds to settle claims in his own pedophile scandal but other bishops TRANSFERRED the church’s assets to cemetery accounts in order avoid paying claims after they were bankrupted by claims.

  • Profile picture of catpaw catpaw said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    Also speculated that Pope Benedict was “too conservative.” The catholic church is actually losing membership. That and the contrary views of the status of homosexuals and women and birth control among attitudes of the majority made church doctrine appear obsolete and out of touch with changing times.

  • Profile picture of think4yourself think4yourself said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    Then, of course, the Pontiff was 89 years old and unable to travel. Maybe the fact that most mortal men retire by that age anyways. I don’t know of too many 89 year olds that are still sitting CEO’s of corporations of over 1 billion loyal customers.

  • Profile picture of think4yourself think4yourself said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    Cat-Have you ever heard the saying that ‘its only an island if you look at it from the ocean’? I’m certain some might argue that the church hasn’t become ‘out of touch’ but that the world has gone ‘bonkers’. Of course when a people are guided by human perrogative, society and justify any self serving idea its imagination can think up. But some chose faith in something outside of their own ‘enlightened ideas’. In case some may find this to be foolishness, let me reflect that human ‘enlightenment’ has brought us bubonic plague, slavery, two world wars, and weapons of mass destruction. What a brutal thing the ‘enlightened’ human imagination can be!

  • Profile picture of catpaw catpaw said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    Can’t dispute that perspective, think, even though I could point out that war, slavery, etc. had its faith-based arguments to justify such institutions. Sometimes it seems that civilization takes two steps back for one step forward.

  • Profile picture of think4yourself think4yourself said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    I would contend that those were human based arguements made by men claiming to be the voice of God and wearing a religious badge. Men have found a way to manipulate every custom, The common factor seems to be that men manipulate facts, knowledge, etc whether they do it in the name of (fill in the blank). Just as a fire arm in the hands of a madman can cause much harm, so can religion do the same in the hands of an unstable mind. That is why, IMO, it takes more guts to live as if there is no god, than to live by faith that there is one-knowing full well what mankind is capable of when there is no fear of God.

  • Profile picture of ApolloDawn ApolloDawn said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    “I would contend that those were human based arguements made by men claiming to be the voice of God and wearing a religious badge.”

    Really, really good comments, Think.

    I have a question, though; how would you go about determining whether an argument or assertion is really of divine influence, or merely originating from a person claiming to be the voice of God?

    Personally, it hurts me to see anyone’s faith being tarred, feathered, and dragged through the mud. It would help the Roman Catholic Church, however, to recognize their human limitations and human faults and frailties rather than engaging in transparent and weak attempts to deflect responsibility, such as blaming “secularized culture” for priestly abuse.

    Really.

    Humility; it is taught by Scripture.

  • Profile picture of think4yourself think4yourself said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    Totally concur with you about humility, AD. You’re question is perfectly fair, but difficult one-I admit. hermeneutics becomes an important tool in separating what the religious text says compared to what some people say it means or WANT it to say. Its important that people actually READ their religious texts and become well versed rather than depend soley on another person to spoon feed it to them. In reading these text, one needs to consider MANY things rather than simply taking it in a 21st Century context. You have to understand the culture, the intended audience (for instance-Greek or Jew), the circumstances, and even the role of the author.It admittedly requires faith to believe in the infallibility and divine inspiration of the texts, But we all place faith in things we don’t understand which seems logical when you consider that our human knowledge base is ever growing and infinately deficient. So there are several considerations when determining if an action is of God or of man. First off, one must assume that the text is wholey consistant and infallible.Contradictions do not occur. The character of God never changes. The CIRCUMSTANCES warrant different dialogues, however that does not constitute a contradiction (keeping in mind the author’s intention, the audience, the culture, etc…). One cannot claim to be the voice of God if their message is inconsistant with what we know from the holy scriptures as being the character of God. People have to test what they hear against what they understand of their holy texts. If you trust (an act of faith) that the holy texts are complete, consistent, and divinely inspired, you can rely on that to measure every man or woman’s words and actions against it. We know that God despises sexual immorality. We know from the Bible that God values children. We know from the Bible that God HATES dishonesty (Ananias and Sapphira). Everything that happened with the scandal runs contrary to what we know about the character of God. We can surmise then that any supposed ‘cover up’ or pedephilactic behavior had NOTHING to do with the will of God, nor did the cover up. When it comes to divine influence, you have to have faith in what you know and measure it up against what you see and hear. And be willing to question EVERYTHING. A person of wisdom will gladly share why they believe what they believe. A person desiring only power, will label you a ‘trouble maker’ and attack your character-because you dared to challenge their EARTHLY authority-that’s precisely why Jesus was sentenced to death on a cross. Knowledge of scriptures poses a threat to those that would use them as a weapon to manipulate or destroy. Jesus knew the holy writings inside and out-and that knowledge posed an emminent danger to the religious ‘manipulators’.

    There are men of power who fear nothing more than losing that power. That is not something unique to the Catholic Church and even was the case in Jesus’ day (see pharisees). But the Church is doing what it can to make amends, however it is important that we realize that these are STILL mortal men-and men who still struggle with the same issues you and I do. The media needs to get real about that. There will always be scandal somewhere-the Roman Catholic Church is some 1 billion followers strong. Think of the number of abuse cases there have been compared to the number of clergy world wide? Its like saying the 747 isn’t safe because one in every 999,999 don’t make it to their destination. The media needs to be realistic rather than rely on that worse 1 out of 1 million circumstances. The Catholic Church will NEVER be perfect because it consist of imperfect people.

  • Profile picture of ApolloDawn ApolloDawn said 4 months ago:

    That’s a really nice and thorough way to explain it, Think; the paragraph explains a great deal and provides opportunities for common ground.

    A skeptic might begin by asking who, what, or by how it was deduced that conforming with this particular set of rules and guidelines is any guarantee of Divinity or Divine authenticity, and a skeptic might dispute the premise that one particular religious text is necessary and a prerequisite, or why any particular religious text is needed at all. It could be charged with comparable strength that these, too, are rules and guidelines conceived purely by the minds of human beings with no particular Divine insight.

    But instead, what you wrote fits well inside my own worldview; I agree emphatically that hermeneutics, Christian or otherwise, depend in considerable part on understanding the culture, the environment, the current events, the politics, and the pressures and trials of the time and immediate area.

    Many a modern Christian salvation allegory is told in terms of a rescuer or guide of some sort. With hopes that you will take this in the spirit intended, Christ can be compared to a firefighter showing a crowd of lost, panicked people the only safe way out of the burning building whose fumes are beginning to overcome them.

    From that perspective, in that place and time, there is indeed only one way to safety.

    I happen to be in a different endangered building.

    Different threats, different floor plan. It’s a consideration of environment that is similar in essence to what you explained above, only broadened to cover more spacetime.

    My view is if we take enough steps back to recognize our human limitations, most of the apparent contradictions between faiths go away. Instructions that may be different in their specifics to different groups of people are not contradictory if these groups of people have to navigate different adversities within different floor plans.

    If there is any fairly reliable rule that I have found which can distinguish the sincere spiritual seeker or religious person from the self-centered power hog, it is whether that person spends more time talking about the need to improve themselves, individually or as a church – in contrast to spending most of their time talking about how to fix everyone else perceived sins or faults.

    Whenever it always seems to be about “those other people,” it’s usually more about obtaining earthly personal power than humble, open-hearted devotion.

    And that ingredient is always present on one or both sides of religious conflict.

  • Profile picture of milemarker milemarker said 4 months ago:

    [Pressing "Like"] for T4Y and AD.

  • Profile picture of paxchristi3 paxchristi3 said 4 months ago:

    Let’s see if there’s anything to the prophecy of St. Malachy, whose purported visions of 112 popes ended with Pope Benedict XVI’s successor, especially if the “Petrus Romanus” (Peter the Roman) turns out to be Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana, reportedly among the top candidates for the job: http://spiritdaily.com/Pope1.htm

    http://assets1.bigthink.com/system/idea_thumbnails/49346/original/Cardinal_Tukson.jpg?1360604100

  • Profile picture of milemarker milemarker said 4 months ago:

    Let’s see if there’s anything to the prophecy of St. Malachy…

    Isn’t that something like the Mayan Apocalypse?