Girl, who had just performed at President Obama’s inaugural–was gunned down Tuesday in Chicago (33 posts)

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  • Profile picture of Mach5 Mach5 said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    15-year-old Hadiya Pendleton, was taking shelter from the rain with a group of 10 to 12 teenagers under a canopy in Vivian Gordon Harsh Park on the 4500 block of South Oakenwald Avenue around 2:30 p.m., when someone jumped a fence, ran up to them, and opened fire,
    Sounds like Gang initiation, you must kill an innocent person on the street.
    In a city with some of the toughest gun control laws in America, where a handgun cannot be purchased, Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy “acknowledged aiming at assault weapons misses the mark when dealing with Chicago’s gang violence.”

    “The weapon used is generally a handgun, and rarely is it purchased through legal channels,” he said.
    90% of Chicago shootings are with handguns.
    Banning guns is really working well there, as is the family values culture

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/29/15-year-old-girl-shot-and-killed-in-kenwood-neighborhood-park/

  • Profile picture of catpaw catpaw said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Well, golly, ain’t this awful. Let me guess: If Ms. Pendleton had an assault weapon, she could have shot the assailant. Better yet, if all dozen teens had a machine gun they could have really cut the bad guy in half. But they didn’t. That’s what you get for being a communist lib.

  • Profile picture of Mach5 Mach5 said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Banning guns is really working well there, don’t miss the point here cat, Banning is NOT the answer, working to keep families together is. Fathers are not home, and the cycle repeats, Twice as many people have been killed on the Chicago streets than the Afghanistan War. What is Rahm Emanuel doing about it?

  • Profile picture of Groucho Groucho said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Why not write him and find out? Gun violence in Chicago is a real tragedy and I’m sure is being addressed. But hey, don’t let the brutal murder of an innocent teen go to waste, make a political statement about it.

  • Profile picture of Mach5 Mach5 said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    I made a family values statement about it, its clear Rahm is doing nothing, Killings from handguns are on the rise, now, its all about who the baby daddy is, not keeping the family together, and now we see the result

  • Profile picture of catpaw catpaw said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    The congressional committee hearings were broadcast today. NRA’s LaPierre sounded like a lobbyist. His contentions that bans “have no impact” and universal registration “doesn’t work” were (intelligently)challenged by Sen. Lehey. A police chief agreed. No response, not yet anyway, from LaPierre.
    That doesn’t mean everything LaPierre said should be dismissed. He did cite some scary stats regarding gun registration laws not being enforced.
    Gabby Gifford made a short statement which normally would be a poster-girl appearance. However, what she presented was effective beyond an emotional level.

  • Profile picture of Mach5 Mach5 said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    The murder toll in Chicago for the month of January now stands at 42, making it the most deadly January in Chicago in more than 10 years.

    The last time there were this many murders in January was in 2002, when there were 45 homicides.
    Gun ban, working as well as expected

  • Profile picture of think4yourself think4yourself said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    I’ve had similar thoughts Mach. Even with an assault weapons ban, most of the violent crimes are being committed using firearms that have been and will continue to be perfectly legal under the ban. Handguns and shot guns seem to be the firearms of choice in these crimes.IT doesn’t change the fact, however, that the handful of most deadly incidents HAVE involved firearms that would be illegal under the AR Ban; Sandy Hook, Aurora, Columbine (I believe). While more incidents do occur with handguns, it could be reasonably argued that these incidents have proven much less deadly than the mass murders we’ve seen committed using AR’s. However, no amount of laws would be enough to even cut gun violence in half. But, perhaps the incidences may be less deadly. I’ve used the illustration of driving a car. No amount of traffic laws can guarantee 100% safe roads. However, I wouldn’t argue that traffic laws ‘don’t work’. People will take liberties with driving just as they take liberties with guns; both with tragic consequences. However, such laws reduce the likelihood of tragedy.

    The dialogue over violence needs to extend, however, beyond gun control. We are living, IMO, in a very broken world with very broken people. We have have to tackle the relational issues and attitudes in American Culture in order to get to the heart of the violence problem. We have to find a way to fundamentally change our attitudes about power, justice, and mercy. As long as we persist in believing that reciprocity is strength while forgiveness and reconciliation are weakness, violence will persist. Its means will just evolve.

  • Profile picture of Mach5 Mach5 said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    I agree T4Y, we are in a broken country, in many ways, which guns get banned IMO should be a state issue, if at all. it all starts with the breakdown of the family, no dad at home, Mom cant do it all, kids having kids, getting on welfare, cycle repeats, who is the babies daddy? increasing entitlement spending is not the answer, if we do, we are certainly headed for a revolution

  • Profile picture of Groucho Groucho said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Well, we could outlaw sex or make birth control compulsory for anyone on public assistance, or forced vasectomy for deadbeat dads.

  • Profile picture of catpaw catpaw said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    We did have a mandatory sterilization program once upon a time. Could revive that one.

  • Profile picture of think4yourself think4yourself said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Cat and Groucho-madatory sterillization? Intriguing! That delves philisophically into the debate over reproductive rights; a touchy political issue, would you say, not?

    Mach-those are examples of what I consider symptoms of a much larger issue. Fundamentally, IMO, there is no difference between entitlement to a welfare check and entitlement to a gun. Both relate a common problem in our society-distorted senses of self importance, rather than seeing ourselves as more than individuals, but as a cog in a complex machine. We live in a society that has placed obscene amounts of importance on self to the point it is easy to depersonalize your environment. Your needs and your feelings and your welfare are all that matter. From that we see what you speak of, Mach; breakdown of the family, generational poverty, undesired pregnancy, violence, etc.

    America is, I’m afraid, is far from the mass attitude ajustment I speak of. The best example of what I’m talking about and the perfect microcosm was how New Yorkers pulled together following 9-11. So many people, big and small, played an integral role. There was no ‘me’. Just ‘we’. As utopian as this may seen, it goes to the heart of America’s social problems; their more than political problems. They’re relational problems. The question to ponder is America too fargone to give a darn about their fellow man (or woman) if it means letting them cut in front of you.

  • Profile picture of JohnTaylor60 JohnTaylor60 said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    If one would look at the murders in Chicago in 2012, one would find that the majority of murders occur in impoverished, gang invested, black neighborhoods. Banning guns will not change anything.

  • Profile picture of John  Bravo John Bravo said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    From 2003 to 2011, there were 4265 murders in Barak Obamas home town. That is an average of 473 murders per year. More American lives have been lost to murder in Chicago than in the same time period in Afghanistan. And those lives in Chicago have not been taken out by AR’s and AK’s.

    38 lives were claimed in Aurora and Newton. Chicago AVERAGES that death toll every month. And guns are banned in Chicago. Pick any other major American city and the story is the same. And the mayor that has failed miserably in protecting the citizens of Chicago thinks he has the answer? What arrogance.

  • Profile picture of catpaw catpaw said 3 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Point well taken, think. Depressing as it sounds, there seems to be a prevailing concern of self-interest over what the country could and should be.