Criminal gets light sentence for slaying Neo-Nazi (14 posts)

Thread tags: gun accountability, gun responsibility
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  • Profile picture of milemarker milemarker said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    In this case, the criminal was 10 years-old when he pulled the trigger and the Neo-Nazi was his father who had a long history of abusing the boy.

    Yesterday this unnamed boy, who was tried as an adult and is now 12 years old, was handed an 11 year prison sentence:

    As the LA Times reported, “Public Defender Matthew Hardy focused on the boy’s abusive home life, where gunplay and neo-Nazi gatherings were commonplace. Witnesses testified that Hall beat his son repeatedly, often in drunken or drug-addled rages.”

    and the coup de grâce…

    Although the judge recognized the defendant’s history of abuse, he ruled that the child was in a position to make a moral judgement. “Even with that background, the court must look at the facts of the case,” the judge said.

    Oh. Sure. Every terrified, abused 10-year-old steeped in weapons, racist speech and Nazi regalia knows right from wrong. They’re experts in moral judgement. By the way, where’s mama? Is she accountable for her 10-year-old son having a gun?

  • Profile picture of catpaw catpaw said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    I doubt a 12 year old will be sent to prison with adult criminals. More likely, he’ll be in a juvenile facility until he’s of age to be with adults. I notice an 11 year prison term will get him released at age 23; this kid will be off the streets (hopefully) until he’s an adult.
    I don’t know the particulars the judge considered. Surely, it included a report from psychiatric interviews. It is obvious (to me, anyway) the child’s best interests and society are served by removing him from the home enviroment that’s rearing him.

  • Profile picture of think4yourself think4yourself said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    I find this difficult to believe. The court is JUST BARELY coming around on the issue of battered woman syndrome, but drags its feet on the issue of child abuse which, in reality, is just another form of domestic violence. Its a logical inconsistancy to recognize one and not the other; especially in the case of child abuse where the victim’s options are even more limitted. Its cases such as this that have me wondering if there was any previous CPS involvement.

  • Profile picture of milemarker milemarker said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    I certainly can’t dispute the wisdom of getting this kid out of that environment. He has four sibling and they’re still in it.

  • Profile picture of think4yourself think4yourself said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    The documented abuse should have been enough to place all of the children into protective custody. Where did this take place?

  • Profile picture of think4yourself think4yourself said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    OK, Southern California, but what county? My other question would be if all of these witnesses witnessed the abuse in the past, why the HELL didn’t they report it?!?! They are just as guilty as the kid if they knew and said nothing! And if it HAD been previously reported, what actions were taken by CPS?

  • Profile picture of milemarker milemarker said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    Over in Riverside County.

  • Profile picture of catpaw catpaw said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    Good point, think4. Any responsible adult should report suspected child abuse or endangerment. The informant is kept confidential, trained officers interview the kid alone; usually by paying a visit to the kid’s school. Doesn’t always work that way, unfortunately, but that is the game plan.
    Not to excuse adult crime, but an overwhelming psych history of dangerous criminals–particularly sex offenders–have a background of “repeated childhood trauma” that cannot be ignored.
    If society is reluctant to “get involved” with the welfare of children, it will get involved anyway later on.

  • Profile picture of sagefever sagefever said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    And at a much greater cost to society catpaw. The judge hands down the sentence on the 15 th of Feb.,the boys attorney plans an appeal.

  • Profile picture of think4yourself think4yourself said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    How is it that we can expect so little of our young people until they do something eggregious? The bar for parenting seems to get lower and lower, yet we hold them to the highest legal accountability when they don’t meet an expectation of behavior that was never established in them to begin with? How is encarcerating a child who was already living in prison psychologically beneficial to society? Violence will persist as long as we insist on punitive actions over corrective or reconciliatory actions. Americans celebrate the destruction of life over the redemption of it. The fact that the state is the one tearing down doesn’t make it any less barbaric.

  • Profile picture of think4yourself think4yourself said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    For this same reason, I question the benefit of having the Taft shooter charged as an adult. To what benefit is this to society? So that our DA can put a notch in her belt and run for reelection that she’s ‘tough on crime’? This kid is 16 years old. In the eyes of the law he is too immature to drink, smoke, vote, or see a rated R movie by himself. How can we have such an arbitrary definition of ‘adult’ in America and consider it just? Americans seemingly are in the habit of having such logical inconsistancies in order to tailor the rules in accordance to our own conveniences and prejudices. No wonder why our young people have become so disillusioned.

  • Profile picture of limalimamike limalimamike said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    And now where is the liberal left and the “down with the 2nd Amendment” rhetoric on this one?

  • Profile picture of think4yourself think4yourself said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    Restriction on the means and discussion of the root cause are two separate issues. I think the far right have confused the viewpoint of MOST in the center and left. Its not about destroying the Second Amendment. That’s hyperbole lacking of ANY substantial evidence. The issue is making sure these weapons remain in the hands of law abiding, responsible citizens and don’t end up in the hands of those with nefarious purposes in mind. Now, I’m sure mike will go surfing the net for some far left extreme example to substantiate his ‘war on the second’ claims. As can anyone search the internet for an example of far right fanaticism such as the guy that went off about shooting people if they place any more restrictions on guns.

  • Profile picture of sagefever sagefever said 4 months, 1 week ago:

    well said think~ on all counts. The drama queens think if they keep repeating something it is the truth. Most people want a reasoned approach to gun violence , not a end to the 2nd amendment . As for trying that boy as an adult~ it makes no sense.