Bakersfield police investigating Glenwood Gardens after woman refused CPR, died (29 posts)

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  • Profile picture of timec timec said 2 months, 2 weeks ago:

    http://www.turnto23.com/news/local-news/bakersfield-police-investigating-glenwood-gardens-after-woman-refused-cpr-died

    I am not sure what to think about this incident, but something seems wrong? Why would a nurse refuse to help?

  • Profile picture of DarthDuh DarthDuh said 2 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Maybe it was a race thing timec. Maybe the woman was just a witch and they couldn’t wait for her to die. Even the daughter is barely making a fuss. Maybe the only ones making a fuss are the chicken-little media.

  • Profile picture of John  Bravo John Bravo said 2 months, 2 weeks ago:

    It was an independent living facility, not a nursing home or a hospital. No one was obligated to render first aid. In California, if you administer CPR on someone with DNR instructions, you can be held liable.

  • Profile picture of catpaw catpaw said 2 months, 2 weeks ago:

    There might still be a lawsuit depending on how the contract reads or what it implies.
    For a nurse not to make an effort at CPR, nor even attempt to get someone else to do so, sounds like a violation of professional ethics. The nurse refused to follow the dispatcher’s instructions. Is that a liability?The daughter’s response sounded capricious for her mother’s death.
    Strange story. In any case, a good lesson on why elderly should not be put into these warehouses.

  • Profile picture of timec timec said 2 months, 2 weeks ago:

    If she would have been black her daughter would have cared. Just saying…

    It seems “you guys” throw your parents in these places, sell their homes and valuables, and move on. I know this because I have had quite a bit of neighbors disappear one by one. Sad!

    There you go JT…

  • Profile picture of sagefever sagefever said 2 months, 2 weeks ago:

    The whole story is sad. JT has explained in the past, that the dispatchers instructions are really just “suggestions” , but I have my doubts about that.
    The good Samaritan law will protect a lay person from law suits,according to the news. The difference between a independent living facility and a assisted living facility is weird, but if you want to live choose the one that will provide first aide.
    Personally I can not imagine standing by and doing nothing ~ especially if I was a “nurse”.

  • Profile picture of sys_mom sys_mom said 2 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Spokesperson for the facility claims the nurse followed their procedures. I was wondering what are their procedures for performing CPR on a visitor to their facility? If a person visits friends who live there and experiences a cardiac episode while in the Glenwood Gardens dining room are facility staff prepared to standby while that visitor dies? Guess I will only do lunch at Glenwood Gardens when CPR trained friends can come also.

  • Profile picture of hpver hpver said 2 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Something seems very wrong indeed. Even if she had a DNR (and if they did why wouldn’t the place produce it by now as a defesne?) there seems to be some question as to whether she was fully out of it from the start or whether they could have rendered aid that didn’t qualify as full resuscitation. Reports indicate she was breathing some. DNR is usually used in hospitals when it’s clear that the patient is approaching end of life and resuscitating would just prolong suffering. Some are even written with such qualifiers.

    Also, yes there is a Good Samaritan law that protects a person trying to help in situations like this. I know this because I had to do CPR a number of years ago when an older guy keeled over in a hotel conference room and I was the only one who knew how. Saved the guy’s life. I’d do it again any time, regardless of the “policy” someone was waving in my face.

  • Profile picture of Groucho Groucho said 2 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Maybe they are afraid of liability is some frail old person is hurt from CPR.

  • Profile picture of JohnTaylor60 JohnTaylor60 said 2 months, 2 weeks ago:

    sage, there are NO California criminal laws that require someone to obey what they are told to do or not do by a dispatcher. If you have your doubts, prove it to me.

  • Profile picture of Geoffrey Thorpe Geoffrey Thorpe said 2 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Attempting CPR, even if insufficiently trained, would have been the Christian thing to do. This whole thing is just sad.

  • Profile picture of think4yourself think4yourself said 2 months, 2 weeks ago:

    It would have been the HUMANE thing to do.

  • Profile picture of CalifornDrifter CalifornDrifter said 2 months, 2 weeks ago:

    I read some where on this today that the Lady that passed away requested a No Code or DNR earlier and that’s what they did. My Father was brought back three time at Mercy down town and he didn’t wish to go through it another time, our Father had us to place a No Code for when he did go again and this is whats done, they stand back and allow him go.

  • Profile picture of catpaw catpaw said 2 months, 2 weeks ago:

    And I’ll bet the warehouse is scurrying like crazy to find the DNR, if there is one. My mother asked for and got a DNR but that was intended for the possibility of her being comatose and on life support.
    In any case, the nurse didn’t say “This patient is a DNR.” She ignored her professional ethics, standard morals, and the pleas to do something to save a person’s life.
    True, there is no legal obligation to help a person in an emergency situation. If i see a toddler drowning in three feet of water and I don’t want to ruin my new shoes, there’s no law that says I have rescue him or even call for help. But if I do volunteer to help, I’m liable if I change my mind.
    The nurse called 911 but balked at following through to save a life. If she isn’t liable, she should be. Company policy does not trump the law.

  • Profile picture of JohnTaylor60 JohnTaylor60 said 2 months, 2 weeks ago:

    catpaw, the “nurse” made it very clear on the tape recording that their policy was to call emergency services to respond to care for the person in medical distress. She obviously had no intent to do what was possible to save the ladies life. Don’t you get that after all the coverage of this incident?